Proof, as if any were needed:
https://archive.org/details/New_Order_of_Barbarians_remaster_tapes_1to3/New+Order+of+Barbarians+%5Bremaster%5D+tapes+1+to+3.mp3
NB The first two hours should be enough to convince you, if not the rest are other interviews. First presentation was given in 1969 by Dr Richard Day, this recording was done in 1988.
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